Making Fun Of Fundamental Investors – The Frank Thelen EditionGuest Post
Frank Thelen is a household name in Germany. As part of the German version of “Shark Tank” (which he left in 2019), he clearly became the Venture Capital investor with the biggest public exposure (the guy in the back in the middle).
Recently, Thelen announced that he will launch the “German Version” of Ark Invest which he calls 10xDNA Fund. The idea behind is that he, as successful VC investor is able to run a big fund of public stocks that aims at “disruptive technologies”.
With regard to public listed equities, his track record is mixed. He has been a big supporter of Tesla for years, however he also promoted Wirecard almost until the very end.
As modest as he is, he expects “only” 3x for his fund over the next 4-8 years. And of course, he targets all disruptive areas, from Software, AI, robotics but also Cancer therapeutics, Quantum Computing, Brain Interfaces and Nuclear Fusion. For this service, he only charges 1.8% fee p.a. plus performance fee plus 3% upfront fee for retail investors.
Where it gets really interesting is when Thelen explains the “secret sauce” of his fund which can be summarized as follows:
“BRINGING OUR VENTURE CAPITAL EXPERIENCE TO THE PUBLIC MARKET”
So what does this mean? Thankfully, he has put up a great overview which I find is the highlight of the whole website:
In perfect “Denglisch” he actually makes fun of “Value Investing 1.0”.
Instead of Cashflows, balance sheets, Earnings multiples, dividends and Buybacks, he focuses on the people, exponential developments, network effects and “DNA” of a company.
I am not someone who tries to call tops or bottoms in the market, but this screams almost that some kind of top seems to be very near. Yes, we had one of the biggest Tech bull runs that I have seen in my investor career (which started in 1987), but launching such an unfocused fund now clearly seem to look like a very bad idea.
So why did I actually spend precious time with a post of this fund ? I think there are a few fundamental points worth mentioning:
- There are very few investors out there who are both good in private markets (VC and PE) and public markets. The main difference in my opinion ist the kind of access PE/VC have to companies compared to public companies. As a Private investor, you can ask management during DD whatever you want, as a public investor you only have information that everyone else has. The difference is especially wide for early stage VCs compared to public markets
- Running a VC fund means to be able to stomach that 6-7 out of 10 investments will be losers, 1-2 will do OK and one single investment must “make the fund”. VC investors can ignore volatility because there is no real mark to market on the assets. Valuations only get updated if a funding round occurs or a company goes bust. It will be interesting to see if and how retail investors will stomach that kind of volatility
- The limited success of public listed VC vehicles shows that public investors are not so keen on VC risk profiles in the long run
- Having worked myself some time in the VC area, I do think that one actually can learn something from (good) VC investors. Especially the long term orientation, identification of structural growth opportunities and a focus on the motivation and abilities of the management are very useful tools for any fundamental investors
- However I am 100% sure that ignoring Cashflows, Balance sheets etc does not work long term in public markets for a fund that aims to pick stocks
- Being a “fundamental” investor these days who cares about fundamentals really seems to be almost a contrarian approach in itself
Some fun facts about the fund:
- Thelen does not show any track record. So we don’t even now if he is any good as VC.
- His VC portfolio includes also Müsli and liquid egg white. His flagship is Lilium, the Air Taxi start-up that just had a very rocky start as a SPAC. There is little to nothing with regard to “Deep tech”
- He claims that he would invest “50% of his liquid net worth” into the fund himself. However we do not know how much of his total net worth is liquid.
- At the time of writing, the fund is down -4% since inception (01.09) vs. +-0 for the Nasdaq
- The job to come up with actual valuation models is still open, however they are already able to calculate the value of the Tesla share at 1800 USD/per share. The model is remarkable as they actually use EV/EBITDA multiples which is clearly not “VC DNA”….
I am usually not making predictions, but in this case I will make some predictions:
- The fund will not make 3x in the next 4-8 years
- Instead the fund will (after fees) significantly under perform any Nasdaq ETF
- Nevertheless, Thelen will raise a significant amount of money and earn a lot on fees
Deep inside I hope that there is somewhere a minor “God of fundamental investors” who will strike down on the portfolio of this fund in a very short time, but I guess this is wishful thinking
For some additional fun I will include the fund into my “peer group” for my performance reveiwa.
Article by memyselfandi007, Value And Opportunity