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Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA) isn’t “a business”; it’s a cash incinerator

Stanphyl Capital discusses their short position in Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ:TSLA), in their letter for the month of August 2016.

For August 2016 the fund was up approximately 6.8% net of all fees and expenses. By way of comparison, the S&P 500 was up approximately 0.1% while the Russell 2000 was up approximately 1.8%. Year to date the fund is up approximately 20.2% net while the S&P 500 is up approximately 10.2% and the Russell 2000 is up approximately 8.3%. Since inception on June 1, 2011 the fund is up approximately 108.4% net while the S&P 500 is up approximately 80.7% and the Russell 2000 is up approximately 57.4%. (The S&P and Russell performances are based on their “Total Returns” indices which include reinvested dividends.)

In addition to our SPY and BNDX shorts we remain short what I believe is the market’s biggest single-company stock bubble, Tesla Motors Inc. (ticker: TSLA; August close: $212.01), which in August reported yet another disastrous quarter,  managing to lose (GAAP) $20,357 per car sold with negative sequential sales comps. Now, many bulls claim that Tesla loses so much money because it’s “investing for the future,” so let’s dispense with that claptrap right now…

First, even mature auto companies spend around 5% of revenue on capex. If we thus remove from Tesla’s Q2 GAAP loss the depreciation & amortization (as a proxy for capex) in excess of that, it still lost $12,044 per car. But what about R&D spend, which Tesla expenses while selling a relatively small number of cars?

Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA) isn’t “a business”; it’s a cash incinerator

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Well in 2015, Porsche (Elon Musk’s “profitability hero”)  spent approximately $10,800 in R&D per car sold, whereas in Q2 Tesla spent approximately $13,300, a difference of $2500 per car. So if we adjust Tesla’s capex as a percentage of revenue down to the industry average and adjust its R&D spend down to the level of Musk-hero Porsche’s, Tesla still lost $9544 per car in Q2 on a GAAP basis, and that was with its cheapest model starting at $70,000; i.e. good luck with a $35,000 Model 3! In other words, Tesla isn’t “a business”; it’s a cash incinerator.

Also in the Q2 earnings press release Tesla completely omitted any mention of its much-hyped battery backup business  (and for good reason, according to the WSJ), and on the earnings call outright refused to update its equally hyped Model 3 reservation number (which of course in Tesla-speak means the number has gone either nowhere or down) and—in both the release and the conference call—failed to mention a surprise $411 million cash outlay to its convertible debt holders.

Meanwhile, Tesla clearly now faces slack demand for both its Model S and Model X, as it recently introduced  a discounted leasing program and 60kWh versions of both cars. These new models are $8500 to $9000 cheaper than the 75kWh versions but come with the same expensive 75kWh battery, partially deactivated via software. Seeing as Tesla was already averaging massive per car losses,  it will be really  exciting to see what this does to the income statement beginning in Q3. At the same time, the company apparently has so much excess inventory (yes, Tesla does have “a production problem”—one of over-production) that  it’s encouraging on-line buyers to take cars that are already built and  heavily discounting  brand new inventory  (many cars with just 50 miles). And even for custom-ordered cars Tesla has now embarked on yet another  worldwide discount program despite Musk’s explicit claim  in the February  conference call that “We do not discount our cars for anyone.” (Question for Tesla longs: how many times does a CEO have to lie to you before you realize he’s “a liar”?)

In June Tesla announced a “bailout buyout” of SolarCity, Elon Musk’s other cash-burning, bankruptcy-bound company, which in August posted  a horrendous earnings report, showing annualized negative free cash flow (operating cash flow + capex) of approximately -$2.5 billion, meaning– as someone  posted on Twitter– that the TSLA-SCTY deal is the equivalent of rats jumping from the iceberg to the Titanic upon impact. Of course, once the merger is completed and Musk has (at the expense of Tesla shareholders) preserved the value of his otherwise worthless $500 million in SolarCity stock, he may just shut downmost of SolarCity, letting it gradually disappear into the much larger sinkhole known as Tesla. (At least that’s what I’d do if I were a self-dealing CEO like Elon Musk.)

Meanwhile, in July Tesla admitted that despite knowing about a deadly crash in May caused by the failure of its much-hyped “autopilot,” it went ahead with a massive stock sale weeks later without making the incident public, thereby triggering an SEC investigation (and the SEC was  already investigating Tesla for potential accounting violations prior to this, something Tesla—of course—never reported), while the NHTSA opened an autopilot investigation. Two more autopilot-related crashes occurred in July and then two more in August, totaling three of the four cars involved but, fortunately, leaving the passengers alive. (For three of those crashes the autopilot was on at the time of impact while for the fourth it supposedly shut itself off a few seconds before impact, thereby handing control back to the unprepared driver.)

Also in July Musk published a much-hyped (in anticipation) single page vision of where he wants to take Tesla in the future. Unfortunately for him though, Tesla is far behind deep-pocketed competitors in nearly every facet of this vague and unfinanced “plan,” something easily discerned by conducting a simple Google search on each of his stock-pumping buzzwords. Here’s  one example, here’s  another and here’s  a third. I could easily post twenty or thirty mor

In late July Tesla hosted a  completely phony “grand opening” for its so-called Gigafactory  (to which Panasonic’s commitment is much less than is commonly believed) despite the fact that  it’s currently only 14% of the size promised to the state of Nevada and Tesla’s shareholders & bondholders and  not even  close to producing anything meaningful and appropriately enough, even showed off  a completely phony  Model 3 there. And of course at said “grand opening’ Musk made sure to spew out several nonsensical Model 3-related financial projections, including a 25%  (Tesla-defined & misleading) gross margin on a car costing half the price of its current cars on which the (Tesla-defined & misleading) gross margin is only around 20%. Also at said “grand opening,” Musk admitted that Tesla will soon need to do yet another capital raise to finish the factory and get the Model 3 into production (not to mention the $411 million owed to the redeeming convert holders and the cash drain from the massive financial sinkhole known as “Solar City”), despite the fact that it raised nearly $2 billion in 2014 explicitly to build the factory and $1.7 billion in May 2016 explicitly to put the Model 3 into production. (On top of that $1.7 billion offering Musk personally dumped nearly $600 million worth of shares, supposedly only to pay the taxes on his option exercise but few things said by Musk can be taken at face value and  apparently this wasn’t one of them.)

But wait a second: after that May raise didn’t Musk say he’d never need to raise money again? Well actually, he first said that in February…  February 2012.

Meanwhile,  Tesla will now buy some of its energy storage batteries from Samsung and  Roadster  replacement batteries from LG, so much of the hype story surrounding the cost advantages and proprietary nature of the Gigafactory is just that: more Tesla hype. But in case Tesla does in fact still intend to pour billions of (freshly raised) dollars into that white (or perhaps I should say “red,” as in “red ink”) elephant,  here’s an excellent dissertation on how stupid that would be.

As for the potential profitability of the Model 3, in Q2 (as noted above) Tesla had a huge GAAP loss on every Model S/X it sold despite a starting price of $70,000 and an average price that ran much higher. So how does anyone with a brain in his head think this company can make money selling Model 3s—even if they’re 20% smaller than the S—starting at $35,000? I sure didn’t  when I first wrote about this over two years ago and  more recent analysis reinforces that conclusion and UBS—the only large sell-side firm not conflicted by Tesla investment banking business— agrees. As we’re short the stock I actually do hope the car stickers at $35,000, as the more Tesla sells the more money it will lose, but in reality it will probably only be willing to sell Model 3s at a base price of just under $50,000, thereby substantially limiting its appeal. And now that you’ve seen the “driveable prototype,” keep in mind that Tesla  did the exact same  thing with the Model S a full 3.5 years before it was in mass production, and even if we were to credit Tesla with “additional experience” and shave a full year off that figure, it wouldn’t put the Model 3 in meaningful production before late 2018. But hey, while you’re waiting  don’t forget to reserve your  $49,000 Model S! Oh, and one other thing: if Tesla goes belly up before your Model 3 is delivered, your $1000 deposit will make you just another unsecured creditor; i.e., a generous donor into the pockets of the multi-billion dollar debt holders who will auction off whatever’s left of the company.

Back in the real world, this fall General Motors begins delivering its new  Bolt EV which really will cost $37,500 (before the $7500 Federal tax credit) and offers true five-passenger seating, an EPA range rumored to be at least 220 miles and a 0-60 time of under 7 seconds for $30,000 less than the cheapest Tesla Model S while topping its 210-mile range and matching its  94 cubic feet of interior passenger space. Seeing as studies show that 15% of Tesla buyers come from a Prius and many others come from other inexpensive “eco-favorable” cars, I expect the Bolt to grab back a significant number of them—what I call the “stretch buyers” who paid up for a Tesla because they wanted an electric car with 200+ miles of range; those people can instead now choose the much less expensive/easier to park Bolt probably at least two years before “the comparably priced Model 3 that won’t really be comparably priced.” And then of course plenty of potential Model 3 buyers—realizing they won’t get a car until 2019 or later—are likely to pick up a Bolt instead, or perhaps the  200-mile Nissan Leaf or  200-mile 2017 Honda Clarity. So I believe that once the Bolt is out to great reviews  like this preliminary one in Car & Driver, there will be a massive number of Model 3 reservation cancellations– of course, Tesla will never tell us about them.

Meanwhile Tesla’s rollout of its new Model X has been a disaster, with  various enthusiast forums and  Consumer Reports reporting myriad problems with its “falcon-wing” doors, seats and general build quality; in fact in May the auto enthusiast web site Jalopnik hilariously entitled an article “ Tesla Model X  Approaches Old Jaguar Levels of Build Quality,” and I assure those of you under the age of 35 that is not a compliment. And in May Consumer Reports  posted its first review of the X, and it was awful. In addition to its design and quality problems, the X’s $3000 to $8000 premium to a comparable Model S sedan is a huge sales-limiting factor, as nearly all of the luxury competition prices its premium SUVs considerably less expensively than its premium sedans. For instance, the most basic “X” with no options and a warm-weather range of just 200 miles (well under 200 miles in cold weather) starts at $75,200 with only five seats standard. By comparison, the  Porsche Cayenne starts at just $59,600, the  Audi Q7 at $54,800, the BMW X5 at $55,500, the  Volvo XC-90 at just $43,950, the  Jaguar F-Pace at just $40,990 and the seven seat  Mercedes GLS at $68,700, and all these vehicles average more than twice the range of the Tesla with far more flexible refueling capabilities for long trips.

As the Model X continues to flop around on the asphalt beach like a dying, falcon-winged whale, the heretofore revered Model S is now on the Consumer Reports  “Used Cars to Avoid” list with “much worse than average reliability” and finished at the very bottom of TrueDelta’s most recent reliability list. (On the bright side, Tesla owners are getting to make lots of new friends at their local service centers, assuming they don’t mind the reported multi-month waiting times for an appointment).

It’s my belief that the “Tesla love” and “Tesla loyalty” that one reads about on the forums (“Even though my Tesla is in the shop a lot I’ll never go back to an ICE [Internal Combustion Engine] car!”) is really “EV loyalty/EV love”—in other words, many people like the instant torque and quietness of their EV drivetrains, not necessarily the fact that their frequently repaired cars happen to come from Tesla equipped with the interior “luxury level” of a 1990s Acura. So when the Germans (Audi, Mercedes and Porsche) start rolling out their 300-mile luxury EVs in just a bit over 18 months they’ll capture a lot of Tesla owners who love Tesla’s driving experience but not its reliability or interior, especially as fear grows that Tesla’s cash bleed means it may not be around to honor the eight-year drivetrain warranty that those “reliability issues” force it to provide.


So the big picture issues for Tesla are twofold: first, the market is under the mistaken impression that it has significant & sustainable proprietary technology. But it doesn’t in cars…

Volkswagen Group to produce more than 30 new EVs by 2025  All-Electric Audi Q6 e-tron Coming in 2018 with 300+ Miles of Range  Audi A9 e-tron production confirmed

Mercedes planning electric-car subbrand to challenge BMW, Tesla  Porsche Mission E Receives a Green Light

Porsche Cayenne Coupe: meet the hunkered-down, electric SUV  Introducing the All-Electric 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV

New 2018 BMW 3 Series to feature all-electric version to rival Tesla  BMW Doubles Down on EVs

Nissan confirms next-gen Leaf will have over 200-mile range  Ford to spend $4.5 billion on 13 new electrified vehicles  Jaguar bets on luxury EVs

Volvo sets goal to sell 1 million electrified cars by 2025  Hyundai steps up EV cadence

Hyundai Motor plans luxury electric car under Genesis brand

Honda Fuel Cell, Battery Electric and Plug-In Hybrid Variants to Leverage Common Platform  Tesla Is Playing Catch-Up With China’s BYD in Nearly Every Business Category

Aston Martin to develop first EV with China's LeEco  Bentley's electric car plans revealed

Peugeot and Citroen Promise 450 km (280 Miles) Electric Vehicle in 2019

The Electric Fisker Karma Is Back—And This Time It Works

Karma Owner Building 50,000 Cars/Year Electric Car Factory in China  Altieva Electric car startup fueled by Chinese money aims to catch Tesla

German automaker Borgward launches PHEV in China, plans to sell EVs in Europe  Mitsubishi To Launch New All-Electric and PHEV Compact SUV Between 2017-2020  Subaru to introduce all-electric crossover by 2021

Marchionne Mulls Maserati Electric Sportscar as Tesla Competitor  Siemens and Valeo team up to produce electric car engines  Faraday Future Reveals Modular Platform Technology

China's LeEco to invest $1.8 billion in electric car factory

Apple has tripled its R&D budget to $10b – Project Titan to roll-out in 2021  Meet NextEV, the Biggest EV Startup You’ve Never Heard Of

Tencent-Backed Company Aims to Launch Smart-Electric Cars Before 2020  Samsung Thinking About Producing Electric Cars

Taking on Tesla: China's WM Motor sees mass market electric cars

Daimler strengthens dedication to emission-free mobility with new DENZA 400km EV for China  Chinese Air-Con Maker Gree Bets $2 Billion on Electric Cars

(From that last link: “More than 200 Chinese companies… are developing 4,000 models of new-energy vehicles and unveiling prototypes.” Good luck in China, Tesla!)

…it doesn’t in EV batteries…

LG Chem braces for electric car boom

Samsung SDI to build $358 million car battery plant in Hungary by 2018  SK Innovation to supply EV batteries to Mercedes-Benz

Panasonic to build (non-Tesla) green-car battery plant in China  China's BYD takes aim at Tesla in battery factory race

VW may pick China for first battery plant

BMW Shows Of Its Battery And Electric Motor Production Facility  How Bosch is developing the battery of the future


Dyson Commits $1.4 Billion for Solid-State Battery Development  Wanxiang is playing to win, even if it takes generations

…it doesn’t in storage batteries…

E.ON Signs Deal With Samsung SDI On Battery Energy Storage

E.ON begins selling SOLARWATT electricity storage system in Germany  SOLARWATT announces expansion into UK solar storage market

A Good Year for LG Chem’s Battery Storage Business

Large-Scale Samsung-GE Battery Project Ready To Go Online In Imperial Valley  China's BYD takes aim at Tesla in battery factory race

‘World’s biggest’ battery test facility in Japan set to take lead in standardisation

World’s Largest Storage Battery (from AES) Will Power Los Angeles

AES to Deploy 37.5 MW of Advancion® Energy Storage Arrays for SDG&E

AES and Mitsubishi to Sell Advancion® Energy Storage Solutions in Asia and Oceania  Stem to Provide Battery Storage for Con Edison in New York

NEC Grid Energy Storage – Flexible Power Unleashed

Daimler Establishes Mercedes-Benz Energy GmbH for Stationary Energy Storage  Volkswagen eyes SMA Solar storage systems in cooperation talks

Mavero Home Energy Storage Systems Offers Up To 9.6 kW Output For Charging  Sonnenbatterie beats Tesla to the punch with US roll-out

Avista and Schweitzer Engineering Develop Energy Storage Project In Washington

Hitachi to Establish New Division in North America to Expand Its Energy Solutions Business  Lockheed Martin Joins Energy Storage Fray With Lithium-Ion and Flow Batteries

aft to deliver megawatt-scale Li-ion system in largest storage project in Nordic countries  SMA AND TESVOLT COLLABORATE IN THE BATTERY-STORAGE SYSTEM SECTOR  Schneider Electric Promising Battery At Lower Cost Than Tesla

Leclanché etablishes North American subsidiary to capitalize on US and Canadian BES market  Duke Energy tests Aquion Energy battery and ultracapacitor system in North Carolina

ABB Battery Energy Storage Systems

South Korea set to deploy 36MW Kokam energy storage system  Nissan and Eaton join forces to develop new energy storage solution  ElectrIQ Offers 7.5 kWh Or Larger Home Energy Storage Solution  Alevo to Deploy Largest Energy Storage System in Delaware

French giant Engie Takes Control of Silicon Valley Battery Startup Green Charge Networks  ZCell zinc bromide battery could challenge Australia's soaring electricity prices

Eos Energy Storage Awarded $2 Million to Demonstrate Battery Systems at UC San Diego  ConEd Partnering With Sunverge for Nation's Largest Residential Solar Storage Project  BELECTRIC starts serial production for grid-connected EBU energy storage system  Aquion Energy's Batteries Bring Energy Independence and Resiliency to Sonoma Winery  A Battery Made From Metal and Air Is Electrifying the Developing World

RedT Energy installing power storage system at 1MW wind farm on Scottish Isle of Gigha  Rongke to Deploy Massive 800 MegaWatt-hour Vanadium Flow Battery in China

Microsoft Partners With Primus Power Flow Batteries to Drive Energy Innovation at Datacenters  SimpliPhi Power Unveils Battery Energy Storage Solution for Commercial Applications  Panasonic is quietly selling grid batteries in the U.S.

Panasonic Enters Europe’s Burgeoning Home Battery Market

…it doesn’t in autonomous driving…

2017 Audi A8 to feature first fully autonomous tech  Mercedes-Benz announces plans to develop luxury driverless cars

Volvo's self-driving car has a big edge over the competition and is coming sooner than you think  Volvo, Uber to Jointly Develop Autonomous Sport-Utility Vehicles

BMW to develop driverless car technology with Intel, Mobileye

GM Expands Connected and Autonomous Vehicle Engineering to Approximately 1000 Positions  GM and Lyft aim to make autonomous taxis available in early 2019

Ford Developing Fully Driverless Car  Nissan debuts ProPILOT auto drive system

Toyota's $1B Investment In Artificial Intelligence Puts It At Forefront Of Autonomous Driving  Second Generation Automated Acura RLX Development Vehicle Revealed in California

Bosch: We’ll Have Fully Autonomous, Connected Vehicles In Four Years

Google Plans Self-Driving Car Development Center Near Detroit

Google Self-Driving Car Project and FCA Announce First-of-its-kind Collaboration  Hyundai says it's discussing partnerships with Google

Jaguar Land Rover to start UK tests of self-driving car technology  Delphi, Mobileye Join Forces to Develop Self-Drive System  Continental AG Working on Self-Driving Partnerships

Apple hires Nvidia's director of deep learning software, suggests work on autonomous vehicle  Apple Hires BlackBerry Talent With Car Project Turning to Self-Driving Software

Samsung says autonomous driving key to its car components push  Panasonic to make push into autonomous tech

Mitsubishi Electric Adapts Missile Guidance Systems for Self-Driving Cars  Baidu is building a 100-person autonomous car team in Silicon Valley

Local Motors Debuts First Self-driving Vehicle to Tap the Power of IBM Watson  Calif. startup aims to take autonomous cars to next level with new language

On the road with George Hotz’s $1,000 self-driving car kit

…and it doesn’t in charging…

The Charging Interface Initiative

With the ROEV Association, Electric Vehicle charging becomes more accessible

Federal and Private Sector Actions to Accelerate Electric Vehicle Adoption in the United States

…and meanwhile, Tesla is run by a highly deceptive management team…

Musk Talked Merger With SolarCity CEO Before Tesla Stock Sale  Debunking The Tesla Mythology

Tesla Continues To Mislead Consumers

 Tesla Misses The Point With Fortune Autopilot Story

Tesla Timeline Shows Musk's Morality Is Highly Convenient

Tesla Scares Customers With Worthless NDAs, The Daily Kanban Talks To Lawyers  Tesla: Contrary To The Official Story, Elon Musk Is Selling To Keep Cash

Tesla: O, What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive  I Put 20 Refundable Deposits On The Tesla Model 3

Tesla's Financial Shenanigans  Tesla: A Failure To Communicate

Tesla Is Stiffing Nevada On The GigaFactory  Can You Really Trust Tesla?

Elon Musk Appears To Have Misled Investors On Tesla's Most Recent Conference Call

Understanding Tesla’s Potemkin Swap Station

Tesla‘s Amazing Powerwall Reservations

…while  top executives continue to leave like rats abandoning a sinking ship.

So in summary, this cash-burning Musk vanity project is worth vastly less than its current approximately $31.6 billion market cap and—thanks to its debt—may eventually be worth “zero.”


Comments (21)

  • Ichi San

    Leading the market in Electric cars world wide ,,,, what a biased garbage argument… got a short position ehy?

    August 31, 2016 at 6:21 pm
  • davidgoldmandg

    Dumb article. We always knew ‘value walk’ actually meant ‘walk away from value’.
    Short sighted losers.

    August 31, 2016 at 6:58 pm
  • corkyciv

    Mark Spiegel loses sleep at night due to his obsession with Tesla. I can’t wait until his loses his shirt.

    August 31, 2016 at 8:50 pm
  • LongerThickerBetter

    It must really really really make you mad how TSLA longs just won’t sell no matter what you and Seeking Alpha post about it every other day. Short positions are supposed to be fun! But all I see is frustration. Sucks to be you.

    August 31, 2016 at 11:33 pm
  • Perg

    Lol.. this author really hates Tesla. You’re not supposed to get emotional about investments.

    September 1, 2016 at 12:04 am
    • Bobmn

      These kind of articles are paid bashing. It’s very common to see these in the past 6 years. I read them for fun.

      September 1, 2016 at 8:36 am
  • No Longer Here

    Yeah, right…bad quarter, huh? Tesla has been consolidating for a couple years waiting for the Model 3 release (and all the other good stuff that’s happening). Notice that the “pros” predicted a drop to 190, didn’t happen…already bouncing back again. TSLA is super robust in the short run…and personally I’m expecting to hold it for several more decades. I can’t wait until the Model 3’s roll off the line next August, and the SA naysayers have egg all over their face. Maybe we’ll see a youtube with a Model 3 racing a Bolt? *grin*

    September 1, 2016 at 6:12 am
    • Justwaitinforchange

      You missed today’s movement. I don’t judge any one day stock movement to be significant — but to claim this will be robust in the short run is purely wishful thinking. Would I prefer TSLA to be another Amazon – of course. Unfortunately they aren’t and ultimately they are just another auto company. The others will surpass TSLA in EV technology.

      September 1, 2016 at 4:46 pm
  • Bobmn

    Be careful about this Spiegel dude. I think he is delusional and a liar. He probably just lie about his miniscule “hedge fund”, knowing nobody can verify it. He has been going against Tesla since the IPO day at $17. He spends 99% of his day time ranting against TSLA for 6 years straight, that makes me believe shorting Tesla is his main activity. Yet he claims his fund is doing fine. Just paying the 10~20% short interest alone is enough to cost him to lose his shirt.

    September 1, 2016 at 8:34 am
  • Max Pelletier

    Nice hit piece.. one can really feel the hatred

    September 1, 2016 at 9:53 am
  • AAPL.To.Break.$95.Soon.>:-)

    Tesla and the big investors’ bromance with Elon Musk. Good fundamentals aren’t necessary for this company because Elon Musk is the CEO. He only has to say, “Don’t worry, be happy” to the big investors and that’s enough to keep the cash flowing. To have a dream is a wonderful thing. For some reason, anyone who questions Tesla’s high value is said to be a Tesla hater. Liking a company making electric cars is one thing, but ignoring the cash burning is something else. It just seems as though investors would be going on faith alone. I don’t think most CEOs would be able to get away with what Musk gets away with.

    September 1, 2016 at 9:58 am
    • ATFink

      You’re probably right, most investors wouldn’t get away with many things Elon Musk does. However, Elon isn’t just an investor, he’s also an engineer that works very closely with Tesla. I don’t think “‘Don’t worry, be happy'” is all Elon has to say or do to receive funding (I don’t work for Tesla and I’m certainly not in on Elon’s sales pitches to potential investors, so maybe he does but I find it highly improbable… like 99.7% sure that’s not what happens). I’m pretty sure it’s because investors have a genuine belief in Tesla’s goal, to bring sustainable energy to the masses (formerly just transportation to the masses) and they believe Tesla is the company that can do it (It’s also potentially very profitable).

      I wouldn’t invest in any company (friends and family companies included) just because it might make me money. I would have to want to see the companies vision come to fruition before I’d consider investing (why would I invest in anything that I don’t want to see?). Even then, they’d need a means to make that vision come to fruition before I’d even consider an investment.

      P.S. There will be no successful Electric car without large cash burns initially. Most businesses do start off with pretty bad cash burn and considering the state of the auto industry I’m surprised it’s not taking more than just a few billion dollars to make the industry respond.

      September 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm
  • BrianMac

    Who’d have thought someone could write an article while being so uninformed? Why compare Tesla’s capex to “mature” car companies?

    Read the details on the accident in May. Failed auto-pilot or a driver not paying attention while speeding and T-boning a semi-truck?

    “At least that’s what I’d do if I were a self-dealing CEO like Elon Musk.”….Thank god.

    September 1, 2016 at 10:31 am
  • Mark Smith

    Getting a job at value walk as a writer is a disaster. A half million orders for one of the best and fastest cars in the world is not.

    September 1, 2016 at 1:06 pm
    • Justwaitinforchange

      How about you argue the merits of the writers position.

      September 1, 2016 at 4:37 pm
  • Chris

    Great article. Will the longs continue to defend this turd of a company while increasing their positions? They will be cut deeply for trying to catch a falling knife. I predict it will stabilize around $180-190 and may bump back up to $220 before falling below $100 with the failure of Solar City and a high number of canceled Model 3 orders once the Bolt comes out. We will be lucky of we see any Model 3’s ship before Q3 of 2018. Full production target will never be obtained before 2020, is ever. That puts Tesla at least 3 years behind their target while continuing to burn cash at an alarming rate. Longs are blinded by their greed.

    September 1, 2016 at 1:25 pm
    • No Longer Here

      Uh, huh…first of all, not “greed” but rather hope for the future. Who’s doing much of anything besides Tesla? (re: topped Forbes list of visionary companies two years in a row). As for Model 3 release, you say Q3 2018, I say the first ones will roll out in August a year earlier (after all the abuse that Musk took over the X rollout, how could you expect anything else but an early 3??). As for Solar City, I think you may not understand their business model, nor how much the “solar roof” concept is going to increase sales especially when bundled with a Model 3 and Powerwall. I just saw Hillary Clinton saying she would commit to a huge increase in Solar Panels on homes in her first term…wonder who will get that business? Maybe the company who is completing a huge new Solar Panel manufacturing facility this year? And so on…you may not “get” Tesla now, but you will get it soon enough.

      September 1, 2016 at 4:14 pm
      • Chris

        Keep drinking the Cool Aid. The solar roof will never even be offered since they will not have the capital to develop it. The solar market is saturated and other auto makers will be producing better cars for much cheaper while turning a profit in a couple of years. Tesla’s future is not looking good.

        September 1, 2016 at 4:49 pm
  • joeinslw

    I used to think that Tesla would work through anything that came it’s way, but it befuddles me how Elon will get through the deficit that SolarCity has going forward, and how it will start making money with that deficit chain around Tesla’s neck, like an anchor holding it in one place.
    Then we read how they had another bad quarter, so will the pain ever stop? At this point I have no idea, but tsla stock could go down to the 140 area once again, so maybe this time it will pay to be short this time around. On the other hand, with the threat of higher interest rates tomorrow, which is causing the market to go sideways to down, which isn’t doing to good and effecting all stock, that’s not good for anyone owning any stock right now.

    September 1, 2016 at 2:51 pm
  • Chris

    “However, if you compare it to other cars that are considered direct competition with Tesla and factor in externalities like CO2 emissions (given that it is charged from powered obtained through solar energy)”

    Most electricity is generated by fossil fuels. Only 0.6% is generated by the sun. Keep drinking the Cool Aid if it makes you feel better, but like all Tesla fanboys eventually you will have to acknowledge the truth instead of ignoring the facts.

    The total carbon footprint today of driving an EV compared to a typical ICE car is pretty similar. It isn’t until several years of use that the EV starts to win. However, that advantage will probably be insignificant due to having to replace the batteries as they wear. If the United States was serious about carbon emissions, they would allow the use of small, efficient diesel engines like in Europe. I had a start/stop manual transmission Renault when I lived in the UK that got about 80 miles a gallon. Instead of testing emissions at the tailpipe, emissions should be averaged over how far the car goes on a gallon of fuel. This would give people a true measure of how dirty a car is to drive. Right now you can buy cars in the US that get 10 miles a gallon and they will pass California SMOG tests. How does this make sense when they ban highly efficient and clean diesel technology. Let me give you a hint, it has to do with special interests and nothing to do with saving the environment. So take off the blindfold and start looking at the facts,

    September 2, 2016 at 11:16 am
  • WiseFundManager

    Hey, that’s what the same idiots said about Apple back in the 90s. Likewise, Amazon haters said the same thing in early 2000s.

    September 2, 2016 at 6:52 pm


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